truupR
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What about Meister R coilovers?
With the discount code they come to 700 bang on... I hear good things about them...
With the discount code they come to 700 bang on... I hear good things about them...
Which coilovers?
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You should save until you can get some good quality ones. Buy cheap buy twice !WalshDC5 said:Well aware I'm buying 'cheaper' coilovers to what some of you will be running but i don't have 1k+ to throw at ones for my daily driver, which will never see track.
Not got them fitted yet but will let you know what they're like comfort wise
I had eibach coilovers on and they were excellent.
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to be fair, most of the cheaper ones, yellowspeed/BC/D2 etc are made by the same factory (who also make the inserts for airlift and others) at Sema this year there were several brands id never heard of selling coilovers in fancy colours all from the far east, but all basically the same damper with coloured anodised bits. there isnt much difference really and unlike Eibach they are unlikely to have tested or developed sets on each car for ride etc, they will use a generic damper insert.
if you were to use a premium brand you will really notice the difference, for example on my dc5 i first had Eibach when it was a road car and they were lovely, then moved to special HKS hypermax pro when i started TA , they were not suitable for the road at all, On my wifes s2000 we have ohlins dfv , the ride is softer than the oem car so has more grip, but it still corners flat and rides big bumps with ease, as stu says you get what you pay for,
if you were to use a premium brand you will really notice the difference, for example on my dc5 i first had Eibach when it was a road car and they were lovely, then moved to special HKS hypermax pro when i started TA , they were not suitable for the road at all, On my wifes s2000 we have ohlins dfv , the ride is softer than the oem car so has more grip, but it still corners flat and rides big bumps with ease, as stu says you get what you pay for,
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Trickerluke is looking into the bilstein B14 setup
Spring rates are perfect for this chassis at 6k front 12k rear.
Oem rates are something like 3.5k and 7k rear. Its important to keep that same ratio and bilstein does that so they certainly have researched the chassis.
Luke said they are about £900 oem top mounts can be run on them too to retain quality.
For example nitrons off the shelf spring rates are 7k/14k and they are spec'd for them by TGM. I know as i have a set of nitrons ready to go on soon but i chose custom rates though.
Spring rates are perfect for this chassis at 6k front 12k rear.
Oem rates are something like 3.5k and 7k rear. Its important to keep that same ratio and bilstein does that so they certainly have researched the chassis.
Luke said they are about £900 oem top mounts can be run on them too to retain quality.
For example nitrons off the shelf spring rates are 7k/14k and they are spec'd for them by TGM. I know as i have a set of nitrons ready to go on soon but i chose custom rates though.
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Yep will be getting thrm in the new year, perfect spring rates as you say. Having spoke to a couple forum members their reviews have been very positive.
Just need the Bilstein b14, around £900 shipped, swap oem top mounts and then camber bolts and rear adjustable arms. They also use the ep3 track rod ends and a couple washer shims for the rear.
If it isn't too late I would recommend reconsidering and looking into these. I currently havebc racing coilovers with 8/10 kg/mm and really don't like them much.
Just need the Bilstein b14, around £900 shipped, swap oem top mounts and then camber bolts and rear adjustable arms. They also use the ep3 track rod ends and a couple washer shims for the rear.
If it isn't too late I would recommend reconsidering and looking into these. I currently havebc racing coilovers with 8/10 kg/mm and really don't like them much.
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I'd be interested in hearing people's reviews of these various setups once they're fitting. I'm looking at options for my DC5
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I have Bilstein B16's on my 'teg, they're incredible.
I have them set to 9/9 stiffness, all the time. It's more comfortable and controlled over uneven ground that way.
I was a bit apprehensive about fitting coilovers that fit EP3, but have no such worries now.
I also had B14 on a previous car, a 172 Cup.
I wouldn't ever buy another suspension brand now. On both occasions, the car is more comfortable and compliant on the Bilsteins.
Vid of them/me on track recently, no dramas - just full of mechanical grip.
http://www.itr-dc5.com/forum/index.php?/topic/42566-pics-video-from-bedford-gt-091115/
I have them set to 9/9 stiffness, all the time. It's more comfortable and controlled over uneven ground that way.
I was a bit apprehensive about fitting coilovers that fit EP3, but have no such worries now.
I also had B14 on a previous car, a 172 Cup.
I wouldn't ever buy another suspension brand now. On both occasions, the car is more comfortable and compliant on the Bilsteins.
Vid of them/me on track recently, no dramas - just full of mechanical grip.
http://www.itr-dc5.com/forum/index.php?/topic/42566-pics-video-from-bedford-gt-091115/
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Just sold a set of YellowSpeed coilovers off my 5th Gen Lude, was gutted as they are by far4 the best suspension I've bought.
The BC's I bought for my EP3 felt real crashy compared, but hard to make a comparison due to how different the cars are.
If my Ohlins ever need replacing, YellowSpeed will be my only choice for the Teg.
The BC's I bought for my EP3 felt real crashy compared, but hard to make a comparison due to how different the cars are.
If my Ohlins ever need replacing, YellowSpeed will be my only choice for the Teg.
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Thanks for the info. What modifications are necessary to fit EP3 coilovers to the DC5?adam. said:
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Let me get a few info out on this just to help out.
1. We choose to use the EP3 track rod end because they are cheaper to purchase, replace, and are readily available in the UK.
We made this decision years ago when we were searching for a DC5 track rod end and no one in the UK had them (that is including all specialist as well as Honda themselves), so we feel it was a positive change for the owners.
The function of the track rod end are the same, the only difference is a 1mm diameter difference in the taper.
Another plus point is that we design the EP3 and DC5 coilovers to be interchangeable out of the box, we included all the hardware in the box to do so.
What that mean is if you ever want to move cars, or sell the coilovers, you have a much wider audience to sell to.
It is difficult if you want to sell a DC5 specific coilovers as there are limited amount of DC5 in the UK, where the MeisterR coilovers have all the hardware included to correctly fit EP2, EP3, and DC5 straight out of the box.
We could make some DC5 specific coilovers, but I do feel the current design is a benefit for the owners.
Yes, we are coming out with a new coilovers. I will put up more details later but it isn't a simple colour change.
The new coilovers is the product of our past 3 years working with our UK Research and Development partner Black Art Design, who also designed, engineered, and build our MeisterR GT1 coilovers.
With over 20 years of vehicle dynamic engineering experience as well and a track record of building championship winning suspension for race cars and OEM application, many of this experience have gone into MeisterR's suspension.
The new coilovers that are coming in around Christmas have quite a few changes, so I'll list a few.
1. New Damping: We have produced a new damper valving design which we call the CRD (Close Ratio Damping).
The CRD is something we engineered in house and it is unique to MeisterR, you will not find it in any other suspension.
BC won't have it, D2 won't have it, YellowSpeed won't have it, HSD won't have it… etc…
We will post up damper dyno in the future, but it takes a bit of time for us as our in house dyno is a development dyno, so it does everything except make pretty print out that people can easily read.
What the CRD does is that it keep the compression and rebound ratio close to each other at the full stiff adjustments without going massively over critical rebound damping like you will find on many suspensions on the market.
What this mean is you will have a comfortable ride on softer setting, but the stiffer damper setting will produce better grip as the increase in compression damping force will sharpen the steering response as well as force the tyre to generate more grip.
The rebound force are also kept in check to not go over critical so it will not "jack down" the car.
When suspension is over critical damping, it create unpredictable handling characteristic because the suspension are not allowed to work through it natural frequency.
The CRD keeps the rebound force in check to make sure both compression and rebound are working together to get the most out of the tyres on a specific application.
This is the product of a vehicle dynamic engineer with 20 years of experience to get an entry level suspension perform as best as we possibly can make them.
2. Increase damper shaft size: We increase the damper shaft size by 10% to increase the strength of the damper as well as increase side load capacity. Most dampers on coilovers listed above will used a 20mm diameter shaft on the front damper of the DC5, our new CRD damper use a 22mm shaft on the DC5.
3. UK Patented Pending: We made a few changes, one of them is a new locking collar that is non-slip and will allow much higher torque application.
The new collar are forged, and the new C-spanner to work with the collar are all individually laser cut.
That is because for this system to work, everything have to work within a very close tolerance, so it isn't something other manufacturer will do simply due to cost.
This is another MeisterR exclusive with a UK Patent currently pending, you will not see the same collar from anyone else in the world.
4. Minor details: We added other bits such as a new springs isolator on the top and bottom coil of the springs.
This help reduce any springs noise as well as help keep up the durability of the springs, etc.
We put all this together while keeping the price competitive with other suspension on the market.
Because as a brand, to move on mean we got to continue develop ourself, not just offer the same thing as everyone else.
So if anyone think MeisterR is the same as anyone else, I can say they are mistaken.
There is a huge difference between buying what is available to sell, and telling production what to build because that is what we want to sell.
MeisterR do the latter because we have a UK research and development department, a vehicle dynamic engineer with years of experience, and the ability to access both.
That is not something a lot of other brands can say, and we are proud to say it is something we do on a daily basis.
Jerrick
1. We choose to use the EP3 track rod end because they are cheaper to purchase, replace, and are readily available in the UK.
We made this decision years ago when we were searching for a DC5 track rod end and no one in the UK had them (that is including all specialist as well as Honda themselves), so we feel it was a positive change for the owners.
The function of the track rod end are the same, the only difference is a 1mm diameter difference in the taper.
Another plus point is that we design the EP3 and DC5 coilovers to be interchangeable out of the box, we included all the hardware in the box to do so.
What that mean is if you ever want to move cars, or sell the coilovers, you have a much wider audience to sell to.
It is difficult if you want to sell a DC5 specific coilovers as there are limited amount of DC5 in the UK, where the MeisterR coilovers have all the hardware included to correctly fit EP2, EP3, and DC5 straight out of the box.
We could make some DC5 specific coilovers, but I do feel the current design is a benefit for the owners.
Right, I think it is almost time to let the cat out of the bag a little.spooke said:
Yes, we are coming out with a new coilovers. I will put up more details later but it isn't a simple colour change.
The new coilovers is the product of our past 3 years working with our UK Research and Development partner Black Art Design, who also designed, engineered, and build our MeisterR GT1 coilovers.
With over 20 years of vehicle dynamic engineering experience as well and a track record of building championship winning suspension for race cars and OEM application, many of this experience have gone into MeisterR's suspension.
The new coilovers that are coming in around Christmas have quite a few changes, so I'll list a few.
1. New Damping: We have produced a new damper valving design which we call the CRD (Close Ratio Damping).
The CRD is something we engineered in house and it is unique to MeisterR, you will not find it in any other suspension.
BC won't have it, D2 won't have it, YellowSpeed won't have it, HSD won't have it… etc…
We will post up damper dyno in the future, but it takes a bit of time for us as our in house dyno is a development dyno, so it does everything except make pretty print out that people can easily read.
What the CRD does is that it keep the compression and rebound ratio close to each other at the full stiff adjustments without going massively over critical rebound damping like you will find on many suspensions on the market.
What this mean is you will have a comfortable ride on softer setting, but the stiffer damper setting will produce better grip as the increase in compression damping force will sharpen the steering response as well as force the tyre to generate more grip.
The rebound force are also kept in check to not go over critical so it will not "jack down" the car.
When suspension is over critical damping, it create unpredictable handling characteristic because the suspension are not allowed to work through it natural frequency.
The CRD keeps the rebound force in check to make sure both compression and rebound are working together to get the most out of the tyres on a specific application.
This is the product of a vehicle dynamic engineer with 20 years of experience to get an entry level suspension perform as best as we possibly can make them.
2. Increase damper shaft size: We increase the damper shaft size by 10% to increase the strength of the damper as well as increase side load capacity. Most dampers on coilovers listed above will used a 20mm diameter shaft on the front damper of the DC5, our new CRD damper use a 22mm shaft on the DC5.
3. UK Patented Pending: We made a few changes, one of them is a new locking collar that is non-slip and will allow much higher torque application.
The new collar are forged, and the new C-spanner to work with the collar are all individually laser cut.
That is because for this system to work, everything have to work within a very close tolerance, so it isn't something other manufacturer will do simply due to cost.
This is another MeisterR exclusive with a UK Patent currently pending, you will not see the same collar from anyone else in the world.
4. Minor details: We added other bits such as a new springs isolator on the top and bottom coil of the springs.
This help reduce any springs noise as well as help keep up the durability of the springs, etc.
We put all this together while keeping the price competitive with other suspension on the market.
Because as a brand, to move on mean we got to continue develop ourself, not just offer the same thing as everyone else.
So if anyone think MeisterR is the same as anyone else, I can say they are mistaken.
There is a huge difference between buying what is available to sell, and telling production what to build because that is what we want to sell.
MeisterR do the latter because we have a UK research and development department, a vehicle dynamic engineer with years of experience, and the ability to access both.
That is not something a lot of other brands can say, and we are proud to say it is something we do on a daily basis.
Jerrick