Fast road track set up...

[Sylar122]

Okay guys im gunna ask a total noob question now but I'm sorry, because i havent got my head round it yet... here goes...


I've got Tein Flex Coilovers on at the moment which in my opinion are way to hard for me for a daily driver, plus they have a persistent squeak noise which is driving me nuts but anyways..

Ive seen some good reviews on Eibach Coilovers as a good balance between wanting a bit of comfort for daily commuting but also good for track? can anyone really confirm this?

also with the changed coilovers will i need a new full fast road track set up again?
correct me if im wrong but the coilovers themselves adjust the camber? so camber arms/bolts e.c.t arnt needed with them? or are they both necersarry for both normal and coil over.

Sorry if its a dumb ass question still learning haha cheers guys.

 

[Wingnuttzz]

Only the front coilovers have camber adjusting to mounts so you always need rear camber arms.

Unsure if the Eibach coilovers actually have camber adjusting front top mounts though.

Also, for your Tien coilovers, try spraying the spring seats and underside of the top mounts in WD40, could temporary fix the squeaking, did on my mates KW's

 

[C&S Evo7]

anytime you remove the suspension from the car it ideally needs to be setup again. the eibach coilovers are perfect for what you want, i had the very first set years ago and they were great, kingston had them after me and i think they are still going, they are a good compromise, i think that dotty has them too and is a regular ring basher.

the ones i had you could not adjust the camber and we used camber bolts instead (they are around £20 for eibach ones) but i am also sure i have seen them included in the kit, so maybe get that confirmed from your supplier.

the only negative with the eibachs is you cant adjust the damping so they are what they are,

 

[Sylar122]

anytime you remove the suspension from the car it ideally needs to be setup again. the eibach coilovers are perfect for what you want, i had the very first set years ago and they were great, kingston had them after me and i think they are still going, they are a good compromise, i think that dotty has them too and is a regular ring basher.

the ones i had you could not adjust the camber and we used camber bolts instead (they are around £20 for eibach ones) but i am also sure i have seen them included in the kit, so maybe get that confirmed from your supplier.

the only negative with the eibachs is you cant adjust the damping so they are what they are,

Only the front coilovers have camber adjusting to mounts so you always need rear camber arms.

Unsure if the Eibach coilovers actually have camber adjusting front top mounts though.

Also, for your Tien coilovers, try spraying the spring seats and underside of the top mounts in WD40, could temporary fix the squeaking, did on my mates KW's

Cheers guys both really helpful so am i right in saying you only have height adjustment in the Eibachs? and if so what is the benefit between having those and just oems dampers with lowered Eibach springs?

Also what kind of average cost would i be looking at to get the Fast road track setup (as the car already came with one) done?

 

[Wingnuttzz]

Eibach coilovers would have the benefit of being new (over old oem dampers or your Tien coilovers), you can obviously set the ride height just as you want it, and the dampening will be different to oem, so kind of like fitting different dampers with springs, If that makes sense.

As for getting geo done, go to a specialist, ie not KwikFit, and your probably looking at between £50 to £100. Worth every penny.

 

[Sylar122]

Eibach coilovers would have the benefit of being new (over old oem dampers or your Tien coilovers), you can obviously set the ride height just as you want it, and the dampening will be different to oem, so kind of like fitting different dampers with springs, If that makes sense.

As for getting geo done, go to a specialist, ie not KwikFit, and your probably looking at between £50 to £100. Worth every penny.

thanks for the info bud! il try that WD40 out today, but a relief if that stops.

Is that all? i was under the impression it was gonna be around 300 - 400 pounds from a specialist? Any recommendations for a specialist to go to? I've heard some good things about TDI

 

[Wingnuttzz]

All they do is put like laser receivers on the wheels and then the machine tells them what to adjust the settings too, so all they do is loosen bolts, adjust and tighten back up, haha.

If you are near TDi they are the place I would use. Heck, I'm hours away from them and I'll use them for mapping my car.

 

[Crazylegs]

anytime you remove the suspension from the car it ideally needs to be setup again. the eibach coilovers are perfect for what you want, i had the very first set years ago and they were great, kingston had them after me and i think they are still going, they are a good compromise, i think that dotty has them too and is a regular ring basher.

the ones i had you could not adjust the camber and we used camber bolts instead (they are around £20 for eibach ones) but i am also sure i have seen them included in the kit, so maybe get that confirmed from your supplier.

the only negative with the eibachs is you cant adjust the damping so they are what they are,

Excuse me??

A regular ring basher ha ha!! :xgrin:

 

[Crazylegs]

Myles

Maybe look at the Eibach spring with adjustable Eibach arms that TGM do. Just because you have coilovers on doesn't mean you need to go for them again. You'd still need to source dampers of course but I'm sure you could get some OEM ones from somewhere.

If it were me I'd go for a damper/spring combo next time rather than coilovers that way you're still going to have a comfortable ride and decent handling even on track, Eibach springs are supposed to be very very good. I have the exact same coilovers as you and I find them fine personally but then again mine have nothing wrong with them AFAIK.

I think with the camber arms and cambers bolts for the front, springs and dampers instead of coilovers and a full FSRU then you car will be much improved.</p>

 

[Sylar122]

Myles

Maybe look at the Eibach spring with adjustable Eibach arms that TGM do. Just because you have coilovers on doesn't mean you need to go for them again. You'd still need to source dampers of course but I'm sure you could get some OEM ones from somewhere.

If it were me I'd go for a damper/spring combo next time rather than coilovers that way you're still going to have a comfortable ride and decent handling even on track, Eibach springs are supposed to be very very good. I have the exact same coilovers as you and I find them fine personally but then again mine have nothing wrong with them AFAIK.

I think with the camber arms and cambers bolts for the front, springs and dampers instead of coilovers and a full FSRU then you car will be much improved.</p>

Hi pal yeah just leaving all options open first! pretty sure your coilovers are street ones? sure they were a different ones, the ones ive got on atm are spine crackers! lol il be looking into it, wont be happening till the new year now anyways! getting to christmas and everything

 

[Sylar122]

All they do is put like laser receivers on the wheels and then the machine tells them what to adjust the settings too, so all they do is loosen bolts, adjust and tighten back up, haha.

If you are near TDi they are the place I would use. Heck, I'm hours away from them and I'll use them for mapping my car.

Yes ive heard they are brilliant for mappings, soon as ive got the parts il be going down there for that in the new year!

 

[Crazylegs]

Hi pal yeah just leaving all options open first! pretty sure your coilovers are street ones? sure they were a different ones, the ones ive got on atm are spine crackers! lol il be looking into it, wont be happening till the new year now anyways! getting to christmas and everything

I understand mate, it's a big thing getting a suspension and a difficult choice to make. I have Tein Type Monoflex on mine and they're actually a very soft feeling coilover, the only time they really crash is going over speed bumps or over a massive pothole which I actively try and avoid. I'm hoping that once I get the Eibach arms for the rear and bolts for the front TGM should be able to adjust the car so it's better suited for the road.

I've had coilovers on my last three cars, each car came with them on so I've had no choice but to leave them on. The ones I had on my EK9 were pure dog%hit, proper bone crunchers and had I kept it I'd have sacked them off for some OEM dampers with Eibach springs or Bilstein/Koni dampers with Eibach springs, yes you lose adjustability and ride height as you can generally only lower the car by 35mm with them springs but it would have been a much more comfortable car to drive, probably would have handled better too. There is a kit you can get for the EK9 from the US, not sure if they do it for the DC5, it's basically called a Koni Ground Control coilover kit. The damper and springs are like a normal Koni setup but the ground control kit gives you height adjustabilty too similar to a coilover but without all the crashines. You need to buy some mounts to go with them and I think all in they come in around £700, possibly a tad more it might be worth looking at them mate. They're supposed to be very good.

Coilovers aren't all that is what I'm trying to say. If you're planning on doing loads of trackdays then fair enough the extra damping and height adjustabliity would certainly make a difference but we drive around on crap roads most of the year and a damper/spring combo would be better. I may get rid of the Tein when I come into more money but it's not a priority for me at this present time.

 

[Sylar122]

I understand mate, it's a big thing getting a suspension and a difficult choice to make. I have Tein Type Monoflex on mine and they're actually a very soft feeling coilover, the only time they really crash is going over speed bumps or over a massive pothole which I actively try and avoid. I'm hoping that once I get the Eibach arms for the rear and bolts for the front TGM should be able to adjust the car so it's better suited for the road.

I've had coilovers on my last three cars, each car came with them on so I've had no choice but to leave them on. The ones I had on my EK9 were pure dog%hit, proper bone crunchers and had I kept it I'd have sacked them off for some OEM dampers with Eibach springs or Bilstein/Koni dampers with Eibach springs, yes you lose adjustability and ride height as you can generally only lower the car by 35mm with them springs but it would have been a much more comfortable car to drive, probably would have handled better too. There is a kit you can get for the EK9 from the US, not sure if they do it for the DC5, it's basically called a Koni Ground Control coilover kit. The damper and springs are like a normal Koni setup but the ground control kit gives you height adjustabilty too similar to a coilover but without all the crashines. You need to buy some mounts to go with them and I think all in they come in around £700, possibly a tad more it might be worth looking at them mate. They're supposed to be very good.

Coilovers aren't all that is what I'm trying to say. If you're planning on doing loads of trackdays then fair enough the extra damping and height adjustabliity would certainly make a difference but we drive around on crap roads most of the year and a damper/spring combo would be better. I may get rid of the Tein when I come into more money but it's not a priority for me at this present time.

Great info mate cheers, yeah i plan on doing as many track days as i can next year, and the year after and then some, which is why i wanted a system that would capture the best of both worlds of commuting and nice and harsh for the track!

ive got a few month yet to see what everyone comes up with and see which will be the best solution, gunna get the WD40 out on the suspension tomorrow to get rid of that noise.

 

[C&S Evo7]

Excuse me??

A regular ring basher ha ha!! :xgrin:

yep he certainly is, years in the forces taught him well

 

[Bally_Jdm]

I've got eibach coilovers on my integra currently , you can't change the camber on the top mounts but the ride is fairly good on the road . I'm switching back to my meister R super race next week as I prefer the quick and easy way of adjustment .

Hope this helps

 

[Crazylegs]

yep he certainly is, years in the forces taught him well

LOL!

It just read funny when I first read it, was laughing to myself ha ha!

 

[Sylar122]

I've got eibach coilovers on my integra currently , you can't change the camber on the top mounts but the ride is fairly good on the road . I'm switching back to my meister R super race next week as I prefer the quick and easy way of adjustment .

Hope this helps

What are the Meister R ones like as far as road and track ?

 

[Bally_Jdm]

For road they were great ( but I don't mind the harsh ride ) track wise the SuperRace ones were incredible ! Much better than the Teins and Eibachs I've previously have had .