Meister R Coilovers - Need advise

[Ramz007]

Hi guys

Some background info:

Ive recently fitted some meister R coilovers to my dc5. I had to purchase the ep3 versions with the track rod end and change that at the same time.

I had some issues such as the top mount was not lining up with the holes in the bay so i had to take it off and twist it to make it fit. Im not sure if this was done to how it supposed to have been but it slotted in all fine afterwards.

While removing the old track rod end i read somewhere that you should count the turns when removing.

The passenger side took 12 whole repetitions while the driver side took only 7. This is the amount of turns it took before the track rod end came off.

Now the issue i have now is that the steering wheel will automatically move to one side (which ever side im turning)

The passenger wheel is facing inwards and the driver wheel is facing outwards a bit.

Im guessing the issue is the track rod ends? Or could it be that i had to twist the top mount? I dont want to twist the track rods any more incase i mess it up further but if it solves the issue then im happy to twist them so each side matches the amount of turns?

I had the same issue with the rear coilovers. I had to slot them in at the top and then twist them so the bottom hole lined up.

I was meant to believe that the rear required two washers either side? The washers provided were almost 2/3cm thick so i could only fit one to each coil-over to make up for the gap.

Ive had meister R coilovers on my EK and everything lined up perfect so i was a little baffled by these.

Here are some pics for your ref:

Thanks for reading!

 

[Mark_teg]

The twisting of the top mounts is fine..

As for the track rod-end situation, I suggest you get your steering wheel close to centre, twist the track rod ends so that your wheels are relatively straight then drive straight to get your tracking done.. Preferably somewhere very close!

Basically get it drivable then get your toe sorted.

HTH

 

[mike.williams]

as mark said, its just your toe that needs adjusting at the track rods.

when i fitted my buddyclub coils, the toe was miles out and when trying to inch forward the wheels would try and skip on the road surface.

you dont have any major issues here

 

[Ramz007]

Phew,

Thanks guys! I will adjust them tomorrow while im down there painting the calipers

 

[tico_87]

By the way, the rear washers all fit. Trust me i slotted them in myself, they were a very tight fit but they will go in.

Get the tracking done asap too, i took mine to TGM.

 

[Ramz007]

I managed to barely get one lol

I dont know if you might have been given difference washers but the ones i received were two parts. One was a back washer with smaller circle inside it which sticks out. This then slots into another golden washer which was hallow. Kind of like a female and male washer.

Together this makes it like 2cm thick and i could barely get one on lol

 

[C&S Evo7]

maybe 2mm thick, not 2 cm.

generally there should be two washers, 1 either side, otherwise the damper wont be central to the mount, i dont expect it will make much difference bit it might.

 

[Ramz007]

No worries, ill get a pic up of the washers lol. Ive never seen these type of washers so i was a bit baffled myself.

 

[dave7368]

these sound like a right ball ache to fit!

 

[nellly]

why did you have to get the ep3 ones? do they not sell the dc5 ones now

 

[dave7368]

Their dc5 ones are ep3 ones hence needing ep3 track rod ends and spacing washers to make them fit, unless things have changed recently theyre not dc5 specific

 

[emmsyDC5xx]

They don't do DC5 specific ones.
I've just bought some brand new and they are EP3 ones with the track rods to go with

 

[Ramz007]

While adjusting the toe today one of the track rod ends has become faulty... The nut which attaches the rod end to the coilover just spins the whole bolt inside the track rod end boot. I can't tighten but I can loosen.

It's wierd because the passenger side was fine.

I couldn't adjust the toe by just loosening the ring and spinning the toe arm so I had to remove the track rod end and spin that in or out.

The coilovers itself are very easy to adjust.

I will also need to purchase thinner washers as the ones provided are too big.

Now I do not want to put anyone off purchasing these as Emma has fitted them without any issues other then needing new washers so this might just be a one off.

I have got in contact with meister R for a new track rod end.

Luckily I have a daily so I can still drive places but atm the teg is without a track rod end lol

 

[dave7368]

While adjusting the toe today one of the track rod ends has become faulty... The nut which attaches the rod end to the coilover just spins the whole bolt inside the track rod end boot. I can't tighten but I can loosen.

It's wierd because the passenger side was fine.

I couldn't adjust the toe but just loosening the ring and spinning the toe arm so I had to remove the track rod end and spin that in or out.

The coilovers itself are very easy to adjust.

I will also need to purchase thinner washers as the ones provided are too big.

Now I do not want to put anyone off purchasing these as Emma has fitted them without any issues other then needing new washers so this might just be a one off.

I have got in contact with meister R for a new track rod end.

Luckily I have a daily so I can still drive places but atm the teg is without a track rod end lol

haha.. you put me off a long time ago..

 

[MeisterR]

Just to update this as I answered Ramz007's questions via E-mail.
But I thought I post here incase anyone have similar questions.

As other have said, the washers does fit but it is a tight fit.
There is 2 type of washers with the EP3 / DC5 coilovers:

8x black washers: This are not necessary for DC5, they are for the front dampers when certain model use a smaller bolt (such as EP2).
4x gold spacer: The 5mm spacers have a 3mm indent that are design to "cap" over the bush, so each spacer add 2mm to the bush width and are securely fasten over the bush.
It is a tight fit but it ensure that no movement will happen between the spacer and the bush.


As for the track rod end, it is a common issue with all ball joint where the "ball" can spin on the housing, and therefore not tighten up.
You simply need to leverage one of the arms to secure the bolt in order to torque the nut on.
If you aren't sure what we are talking about, have a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK1oTEdErjQ

If the ball joint is faulty (excessive play, etc), we are more than happy to replace them under warranty.
These are just OEM replacement ball joint, nothing fancy so I don't expect any problem with them.

I do stress that the EP3 / DC5 suspension is a rather complicated system because the steering arm are directly attached to the Macpherson Strut front damper , and therefore I would suggest professional installation and tracking because installation is more difficult and the tracking will go wildly out of specification as soon as the suspension are changed.

The double wishbone suspension on the EF, EG, EK, and DC2 are much more simple.
The dampers only go in one way and all alignment adjustments aren't affected as greatly because the tracking aren't directly linked to the dampers.

I hope that helps.
If you aren't sure, just drop us a PM and we will try to help. If you still aren't 100% sure then seek professional help from Honda specialist such as TGM Sport or Grinspeed.
They have done quite a few EP3 and DC5 so they are familiar with the MeisterR coilovers and will be able to advice, install, and adjust them correctly.

The best suspension in the world will still be rubbish if it wasn't install correctly and the wheels aren't pointed in the right direction, so I can't stress how important that a proper tracking are done after installation of the suspensions.

Jerrick

 

[emmsyDC5xx]

While adjusting the toe today one of the track rod ends has become faulty... The nut which attaches the rod end to the coilover just spins the whole bolt inside the track rod end boot. I can't tighten but I can loosen.
It's wierd because the passenger side was fine.
I couldn't adjust the toe by just loosening the ring and spinning the toe arm so I had to remove the track rod end and spin that in or out.
The coilovers itself are very easy to adjust.
I will also need to purchase thinner washers as the ones provided are too big.
Now I do not want to put anyone off purchasing these as Emma has fitted them without any issues other then needing new washers so this might just be a one off.
I have got in contact with meister R for a new track rod end.
Luckily I have a daily so I can still drive places but atm the teg is without a track rod end lol

Hey guys,
Just to add to this post (I am going to update my thread at some point too)
We fitted my Meister R Coilovers with no problems at all, the only reason we used some of our own washers as Ramz mentioned is because my chap thought the washers included looked like they may pinch on the bush and as he has his own workshop just used some of his own 👍

I took my teg to my friends garage for tracking and camber the next day, as we got it to as close as possible at my chaps workshop but it still toed in excessively and needed camber adjusting all round. My teg already had rear camber adjusters fitted which we used to adjust the rear would have been stuck without them - but I do have my teg on the lowest setting at the front and not far off at the back.

I love these Coilovers & highly recommend them - I had them on my DC2 and can't wait to find my perfect setting now they're on my DC5 !!!

 

[Ramz007]

Thanks guys! As said, do not be put off haha. I have fixed the issue with the track rod now and looking to take it to a garage for an alignment.

 

[Sylar122]

Hey guys I know this is a major thread jack!! But wanted some updates from you guys on how the zeta R's are treating you? How are they to live with on a daily basis? And how they do both on u.k roads and track!

Il be coming from tein flex coilovers and loved how well they handled corners! But they were always a very hard set up to live with even with dampening adjusters (though it didn't seem to make much difference) and sometimes the bumpy UK surfaces made some hairy moments.

I just don't want to compromise how well it went round a corner. You're comments are most appreciated

Thanks


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[Crazylegs]

Do what Rob R and James have done and go for Bilstein B14 coilovers. Much better made and German too. Take it you're back in a Teg then?

 

[martinj46]

I've had the meisters on mine for well over a year now. Granted it's not in everyday use anymore, but it was for a good few months and no one ever said it was too harsh. Obviously this is subjective, so you'd be best going out in a car with them fitted to first to make sure. They still clean up like new and are easily adjusted. I can't comment on the bilsteins mentioned above or any other brand for the DC5, but the Meisters are a very well made piece of kit. It isn't the cheap Taiwanese product many think it is.