Mugen Vs BuddyClub, RBC Vs Stock & Kpro mapping session - Al

dave c

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Just incase anyone missed this in my project thread I thought i'd post it up here as well as it could well be a bit of useful info for some people and I don't want anyone to miss out on the discount before it runs out (took enough ear bending to get it lol) ;)

Special Offer - 15% off when you mention the youtube video and this forum

I have negotiated a deal with Fusion Motorsport to allow all forum members who have seen the video to be entitled to a 15% discount.

*This offer is valid until July 2010*

Fusion Motorsport specialise in ECU tuning and custom mapping

In their words...

"We offer fitting and mapping facilities for Hondata KPro, Solaris, Omex, e-Manage, Power FC, Motec, Microtec, Emerald and most other popular ECU systems. We also have the facilities to remap stock Nissan ECU's and will soon be introducing Flash re-mapping technology for Subaru and Mitsubishi car computers. In addition to this we can map configure and setup virtually any piece of after market electronic control equipment such as boost controllers, fuel computers or launch control systems. We have over 13 years of experience working with and developing electronic control systems and are very capable in this field".

Contact,

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Fusion Motorsport
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Well its a bit of a different post this one, I took my car down to Fusion Motorsport to swap a couple of parts and get the car KPro'd (ECU Remap). First one was the insane noise produced by the BuddyClub ProSpec, I do love it but its too much for me so I'd managed to get my hands on a second hand Mugen Twinloop system and i'm going to give that a go. Next up was to swap the inlet manifold for an RBC.

Well anyway I made a video about the results and i'd love to hear your thoughts. :)

Fusion Sponsored the video so if you enjoy the video please support them.



First up, Base power run

Modifications at this stage are:

Stock Intake
Stock Inlet Manifold
Stock Engine
DC Sports Exhaust Manifold
BuddyClub ProSpec, Cat-back



The dyno we were using was Surrey Rolling Road, its literally over the road from Fusion and also its a proven consistent dyno, important for the testing we planned





We managed 214hp on the first run





We went back to the workshop and removed the BuddyClub exhaust







We swapped this with the Mugen Twinloop







We did another powerrun after this and managed only 207hp, a drop of 7hp

So after this we took the car back to the workshop and fitted a new inlet manifold. The RBC, i'd read good things so I was expecting a lot.







Car was now ready for another power run and achieved 213hp, a gain of 6hp and only a drop of 1hp from when we first arrived.



Then Ed at Fusion set to work on the dyno using the freshly installed KPRO.





Low Speed Mapping



Cam Angle mapping



And finally, High speed mapping



Mapping finished and we managed to achieve 227hp using the new more restrictive exhaust.



As I mentioned above there is a video as well,



Please leave comments and subscribe :)
[youtube]oZgl4zNCp4o[/youtube]


Thanks

Dave



Intake system is next on the list ;)
 

CHALKIE

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So what are the options RE: Intake?

Gruppe M?

Great post and pics Dave. 8) 8)
 

dave c

400hp K20
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chalkie said:
So what are the options RE: Intake?

Gruppe M?

Great post and pics Dave. 8) 8)

No way am I spending that much on a bloody intake mate, I'm thinking ITG
 

monz

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Great work dave!.. =D> Good insight for people with early mods in mind!.. :wink:
 

cpoh

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Great write-up!

So am i right mods are DC sports 4-2-1, mugen twinloop cat back, RBC with stock airbox got you 227fwhp?

Jay82 on this site had the exact same mods (apart from a gruppem) mapped and he got closer to 250fwhp but I know he's nottoo happy with the map he got.
 

VT-Doo

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Dyno's are tunning tools.
They shoudln't be compared.
250BHP on one dyno might be 230BHP on another.

P.S. BHP & WHP are different.
 

cpoh

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VT-Doo said:
Dyno's are tunning tools.
They shoudln't be compared.
250BHP on one dyno might be 230BHP on another.

P.S. BHP & WHP are different.
Hence my fwhp references.

That aside I wouldnt image a dyno from any of the reputable tuners would vary by more than 5-10% in accuracy and their calculated flywheel would all be roughly the same. Taking all this into consideration you should still not see variations of 20bhp. You are right though, a dyno is good for nothing but tuning and diagnostics.

Sorry for the off topic!

OP I am assuming the 227hp was estimated flywheel result and not at the wheels?
 

VT-Doo

RushDoo
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Just had time to watch the video. A very good explanation on the way K-Pro should be tuned...not 100% but i'm just picking :lol:
 

dave c

400hp K20
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VT-Doo said:
Dyno's are tunning tools.
They shoudln't be compared.
250BHP on one dyno might be 230BHP on another.

P.S. BHP & WHP are different.
Couldn't have said it better, the difference is the important thing in the video not the actual figures.

Lip is INGs ;)
 

dave c

400hp K20
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VT-Doo said:
Just had time to watch the video. A very good explanation on the way K-Pro should be tuned...not 100% but i'm just picking :lol:
yeah im aware i might not have represented the process 100% accurately but it gives you a sense of the process and whats involved :)
 

VT-Doo

RushDoo
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That's what I thought.
It wasn't you I was refering to when I said the information wasn't 100% accurate ;)
 

Armenomania

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Nice Video,Bro!
Thanks for the work you have done! I'm sure I'm not the one who found this useful for those about to tune up their cars:)
 

dave c

400hp K20
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Armenomania said:
Nice Video,Bro!
Thanks for the work you have done! I'm sure I'm not the one who found this useful for those about to tune up their cars:)

Glad you found it useful that was the aim of the game to quash the myths ;)
 

japshop

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did you not refit the buddyclub exhaust and retune? just a thought as you dropped power swapping it for the mugen but then gained after the tune and rbc ... so the gains with the buddyclub would of been a good bit higher if tested like for like:?
 

Armenomania

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japshop said:
did you not refit the buddyclub exhaust and retune? just a thought as you dropped power swapping it for the mugen but then gained after the tune and rbc ... so the gains with the buddyclub would of been a good bit higher if tested like for like:?
Bro,he sold/is selling the Buddy Club, because it was/is too loud for him:)
 
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