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corbie

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Messages
235
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
 

SiKBoY

Advanced Member
Messages
371
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
I am sure i read somewhere the Mugen is just MOTUL rebranded !
 

iceblend

Member
Messages
29
SiKBoY said:
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
I am sure i read somewhere the Mugen is just MOTUL rebranded !

Hi,

Rest assured that what you heard is wrong. Mugen VT-pro is blended in Japan by Idemitsu according to specific Mugen specs. No way is it connect to Motul. By the way, I 'd used Motul's esther based oil before and it pales in comparison.
 

Livvy

Advanced Member
Messages
519
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
 

dan the man

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Messages
3,682
SiKBoY said:
I am sure i read somewhere the Mugen is just MOTUL rebranded !

iceblend said:
Rest assured that what you heard is wrong. Mugen VT-pro is blended in Japan by Idemitsu according to specific Mugen specs. No way is it connect to Motul. By the way, I 'd used Motul's esther based oil before and it pales in comparison.
PALES? cant be THAT bad surely...oilman comments?

dan :?
 

kingston

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Messages
3,258
Livvy said:
Castrol Edge Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
 

BadBadtz

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Messages
2,917
Livvy said:
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
 

CleRICK

Advanced Member
Messages
223
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
 

ally_mac

Advanced Member
Messages
353
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
Silkolene Pro 4+ 5W40 (ally_mac)
 

gregb

Advanced Member
Messages
967
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
Silkolene Pro 4+ 5W40 (ally_mac)
motul 300v 5w40 fully synth(gregb)
 

imran

Active Member
Messages
58
Im using the Motul 5-40 stuff. From what ive heard this is the best stuff by far???

So how much better is the Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 compared to the Motul stuff? How much does it cost? Ive also heard that its re-branded Motul oil then again it could just be a Rumor?

Imran.
 

tedg

Advanced Member
Messages
760
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
Castrol Edge Sport 10w/60 (Tedg)
 

JCW

Advanced Member
Messages
329
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
Castrol Edge Sport 10w/60 (Tedg)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (JCW)
 

CHALKIE

Proud to be C/W.
Messages
2,682
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
Castrol Edge Sport 10w/60 (Tedg)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (JCW)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (chalkie)
 

MilanoChris

Advanced Member
Messages
5,649
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
Castrol Edge Sport 10w/60 (Tedg)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (JCW)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (chalkie)
Castrol Edge Sport Fully Synth 10W-60 (MilanoChris)
 

tron2k3

Advanced Member
Messages
1,400
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
Castrol Edge Sport 10w/60 (Tedg)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (JCW)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (chalkie)
Castrol Edge Sport Fully Synth 10W-60 (MilanoChris)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (tron2k3)
 

Wardy7

Advanced Member
Messages
628
Castrol Racing Full Synth 10w/60 (kingston)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
Gastrol RS 10w/60(ps2london)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Castrol RS 10w/60 Fully Synth (C&S Evo7)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
Castrol Edge Sport 10w/60 (Tedg)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (JCW)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (chalkie)
Castrol Edge Sport Fully Synth 10W-60 (MilanoChris)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (tron2k3)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Wardy7)
 

MilanoChris

Advanced Member
Messages
5,649
I've sorted this and changed the names to suit the companies updated names for the oils that I know. Why? Because I'm bored and sad... looks better though and you can see easier how many people run what etc.

Castrol Edge Sport Fully Synth 10W-60 (C&S Evo7)
Castrol Edge Sport Fully Synth 10W-60 (kingston)
Castrol Edge Sport Fully Synth 10W-60 (MilanoChris)
Castrol Edge Sport Fully Synth 10W-60 (ps2london)
Castrol Edge Sport Fully Synth 10W-60 (Tedg)
Castrol RS 0w/30 (SCOTTIECTR)
Esso Ultron 5w/40 Fully Synth (DP.)
Milllers XFS 5w40 Full Synth (Corbie)
Mobil 1 0w/40 Fully synth (CleRICK)
Mobil 1 10w30 Full Synth (Jor-El)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (Delvac) (SiKBoY)
Mobil 1 5W40 Full Synth (spo_gen)
Mobil1 0w/40 Fully Synth (gonzo)
Motul 300v 5w/40 Fully Synth (iDrew)
MOTUL 300v power!5w/40 100% synth(DTM)
Mugen VT-Pro 5W-40 Good stuff!! Swear by it!!(Iceblend)
Redline 10W30 Full Synth ( F1nalzeros)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (T666YPR)
Redline 5W30 Fully Synth (Tarmac)
Shell Helix 5w/40 Fully Synth (SJ_Skyline - when he was running a DC5)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (BadBadtz)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (chalkie)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (JCW)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Livvy)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (tron2k3)
Silkolene Pro S 5W40 (Wardy7)
Vauxhall semi synth 10w/40 (mikegsi) as reccomended by honda main dealer, well not vauxhall stuff, but the grade!!
 
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