Where to get a Mugen N1 ecu for DC5?

[Gaz DC5]

As above, i'm looking to buy one as i've been in a dc5 with one fitted an fell it pulled better lower down than the k-pro and also i'm only looking at doing breathing mods so with the Mugen i wont need to map it all the time.

I've looked into the one in the for sale section from an ep3 and it can't be fitted to a dc5

Cheers, Gaz

** I just found one on Vtec direct but its ove £1000 :?

 

[adam.]

You might be better waiting a few months. 'Mugen' have acquired an old Cosworth building in Northamptonshire. It's my guess that it'll soon be easier and cheaper to get Mugen parts for Hondas.

 

[Gaz DC5]

Thats good news, i hope the mugen parts become cheaper soon then!

 

[Gaz DC5]

Anyone know of anywhere else beside's vtec direct that sell these?

 

[neilaston87]

Someone was selling one on the for sale section on here not so long ago.

 

[Gaz DC5]

Someone was selling one on the for sale section on here not so long ago.

Yeah it was for an ep3 though, after a bit of research i found its not compatible

 

[neilaston87]

My bad :-s

 

[LeeH]

Get KPRO and map it properly. :idea:

 

[Gaz DC5]

Get KPRO and map it properly. :idea:

Not worth it for me, i only want to run breathing mods and as said above i felt the Mugen was better. It's self learning too so i wont need to pay to get it mapped everytime a change something so the Mugen will work out cheaper in the longrun

 

[LeeH]

Don't they just run rich? Your MPG will be piss poor so it will cost you in the long term irc.

Any why would want to be swapping mods?

Just my 10p

 

[Gaz DC5]

Cheers for the input. Never heard of them running rich, is it true? Just if i fit an rbc first then exhaust mani later i wont need it mapping again with the Mugen. I supose the only other way around it would be buy all the mods then get a KPRO mapped at the end.

 

[C&S Evo7]

mugen N1, is not self learning, it runs in open loop all the time unlike kpro which runs closed at part throttle and when out of vtec, when it is in closed loop it uses the lambda sensor to sense and adjust the afr. so is much more economical.

I have used both and while the mugen was good it was nothing like my kpro.

when mugen, spoon and j's racing make their ecu's they are all honda basd with eproms altered to allow changes to the std maps.

mugen as a large company wouldn't take the risk of any car running lean when fitted with breathing mods by another company and using their ecu so the whole rev range is rich.

You cannot fit cams with a mugen ecu, it will not work.

Press release


--MUGEN-POWER in Europe--

Mugen Power are coming to Europe, M-TEC Company Limited of Japan has announced. The formation of MUGEN Euro Company Limited will see a MUGEN-POWER racing and high performance engine facility in the UK.

The new company has been set up for the express purpose of R&D, manufacturing and maintenance of advanced technology powertrains, and has selected this area of the UK due to its abundance of high quality specialist suppliers, skilled and experienced engineering workforce, and excellent transport network.

They have 4 authorised dealers chosen for their specialist knowlage and experience with Honda tuning.

TGM
Tdi North
Tdi South
AN other? (brain freeze)

 

[Gaz DC5]

mugen N1, is not self learning, it runs in open loop all the time unlike kpro which runs closed at part throttle and when out of vtec, when it is in closed loop it uses the lambda sensor to sense and adjust the afr. so is much more economical.

I have used both and while the mugen was good it was nothing like my kpro.

when mugen, spoon and j's racing make their ecu's they are all honda basd with eproms altered to allow changes to the std maps.

mugen as a large company wouldn't take the risk of any car running lean when fitted with breathing mods by another company and using their ecu so the whole rev range is rich.

You cannot fit cams with a mugen ecu, it will not work.

Press release


--MUGEN-POWER in Europe--

Mugen Power are coming to Europe, M-TEC Company Limited of Japan has announced. The formation of MUGEN Euro Company Limited will see a MUGEN-POWER racing and high performance engine facility in the UK.

The new company has been set up for the express purpose of R&D, manufacturing and maintenance of advanced technology powertrains, and has selected this area of the UK due to its abundance of high quality specialist suppliers, skilled and experienced engineering workforce, and excellent transport network.

They have 4 authorised dealers chosen for their specialist knowlage and experience with Honda tuning.

TGM
Tdi North
Tdi South
AN other? (brain freeze)

Thanks for that bit of info. I heard that the Ecu was self learning, bit crap that its not and from what i can gather none are - even the standard ECU on my old Clio 182 was self learning. I knew that i wouldn't be able to run cams on the Mugen and as i said originally thats not the plan, plan is just breathing mods.

By the sounds of it then no-one really likes the Mugen N1 for quite a few reasons and i might be better off going for the K-Pro.

Thanks for all the input guys

 

[C&S Evo7]

ok i think there might be a bit of confusion,

All (that i know of anyway) ECU's can self adjust the afr to a degree and some will advance/retard the timing a little to cope with knock when poor quality fuel is used, , so might be called self learning, the std unit can certainly do this, however they cannot adjust adequately for the type of breathing mods that you are likely to encounter,
especially once the cat is removed .
that is what the lambda probes are for after all.

 

[Gaz DC5]

yeah thats what i thought. Basically looking at pro's and cons for both units, and for me the k-pro needing to be mapped each time is a con but i can also see how in alot of ways it can be a better unit

 

[phil r]

like as been said before, basic breathing mods the mugen is a great bit of kit has totally tranformed my teg I love it lower vtec car pulls better no crapping around with remaps or driving for miles to be get it, done , car is alot smoother if I wanted to go beyond that then it would be kpro but I personally would buy a faster car and not spend that sort of cash on it we are not talking turbo or supercharger differances here and I have driven and kprod and of coarse mine , mate of mine was totally right for me to go and buy it when it came up for sale dont get put of a lot of people love these ecu's one of my best mods I have done xthumbup , spend your money on a good fast road set up and a good brake upgrade that will make the most differance , look on youtube how the new renault clio 2oo cup sticks to the focus rs on the road in the real world, lot of differance in power between the 2 but it can't shake the little clio off

 

[Gaz DC5]

Thanks for the info Phil. What do you think about the fuel consuption now with the Mugen?

The brakes are on the list as the discs are wearing thin, fast set up is done and coilovers already fitted so just a few power mods and brakes to do then i'll be happy.
Did you buy yours 2nd hand Phil? I'm stuggling to find one, only place so far is Vtec direct for over £1k

 

[phil r]

not really noticed any differance in fuel even though they do run a little richer for saving mr engine if racing and you dont have to rev it to 8500 to get max torque which is also good for the car , yes I did buy mine second hand for just over 400 quid , if I wanted to sell it on just on plug , plug in original ,back on forum for sale , job done, bit of a diifferance in costs but will not be taking my car past the breathing mods so this suits me fine

 

[Gaz DC5]

Thats good to hear then, i'll have to keep a look out for one i think as it will be ideal for me as it looks like im just going to be doing similar mods to you. It could take a while though as you don't see many about. If your ever selling yours or hear of someone else who is drop me a PM

cheers

 

[sydney]

i had a ep3 240hp with a kpro and now i have a dc5 with a mugen ecu, dc5 is far far sharper low gears and has less hp at 228hp but alot more torque. the kpro has good pull top end i tho but the mugen is equally as good and would recommend it chap if you could get one.