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[MeisterR]

MeisterR GT1 Coilovers

The MeisterR GT1 coilovers are fully engineered in the UK by Black Art Design (BAD), and are assemble at our UK workshop (or USA workshop if you are located in USA).
All of the internal are CNC in house at our UK workshop, so none of the internal are "out sourced" because we want to keep a tight tolerance to all of our internal parts.

MeisterR GT1 unique feature:

1. Dual CNC Piston: The GT1 have 2 full size internal CNC aluminium piston with 2 glide ring.
This system allow precise control of the oil flow as well as provide reinforcement to enable high side load capacity without going to an inverted design.
This mean the suspension is easier to work with especially for road use as you don't have to worry about all the implication and upkeep that you get with inverted dampers.

2. CNC seals: The GT1 uses in-house made CNC seals.
The glide rings are made of Bronze Impregnated PTFE, and the shaft seal are made of polyurethane to very high tolerance.
The result is a damper that will hold 400bars of pressure, and only register 3 lbf of stiction on the damper dyno.

3. High viscosity index oil: The GT1 use a unique oil that we get directly from Millers Oil.
Having one of the highest index mean stable performance no matter how hard you use the suspension.

4. Custom Build in UK: Each GT1 are custom build to the specification of the owners, and therefore we can "focus" the build depending on what the drivers want.
If they have a fast road / track car, we have specification for that. If this was a fully aero time attack car, no problem. We even made drag specific suspension.
I would say most of the cars on GT1 that goes into competitive racing all have podium finishes.

Here is an OLD intro video and you can see some of the CNC parts.
However, everyone have changed already as the new GT1 setup runs 2 internal piston and we have also change some of the material such as Bronze Impregnated PTFE as our glide ring material.

https://youtu.be/GXsTFyuo8UM

While MeisterR do not have the same pedigree as Ohlins or Bilstein, there are decade of proven experience that have gone into the GT1 suspension.

BAD engineered the GT1, and cars that they have done range from OEM application to Pike Peaks race car.

The GT1 is our first step being a simple to adjust, good fast road and track suspension much like the Ohlins DFV.
We will have in the future a GT3 which is our 3-way adjustable race suspensions, so more are coming and MeisterR isn't just standing still and selling boxes.

Jerrick

 

[MeisterR]

MeisterR ZetaCRD / GT1 difference vs. Ohlins / Bilstein


One of the main thing you got to look at beside the brands is what are you actually getting.
The reason we pitch MeisterR GT1 against the Ohlins DFV is because both suspension are classified more into the "CUSTOM" suspension range.
These are not mass market suspension, and often use complex CNC internals in order to achieve high level of performance.

The Bilstein B16 (PSS9/PSS10) are good suspension, but they are still a mass produced mono-tube dampers.
That is why if I have to rate the Bilstein B16 suspension, I actually will line it up against the ZeatCRD coilovers in performance.


People often question the ZetaCRD performance and quality, and I think it is fair because of the amount of inferior products available on the market.
I think the most recent achieve by one of my favourite project "The RingBanana" shows it best.

The Ring Banana, a 1.6litre 90hp NA Miata that was purchased back in 2015 for almost next to nothing.
The entire objective was to get the car to break into the 8 minutes time mark at the Nurburgring BTG, as well as see how much upgrade and due to lap time.

It was a fun project, and naturally MeisterR got involved. The base lap time with the car as is was 9:21.8
After an upgrade to MeisterR coilovers, alignment, and Kumho V70a tyres, the car managed a blistering 8:39.5 (knocking over 40 seconds off the base lap time)

This car have been doing countless lap at Nurburg over the past 12 months.
And this past weekend, the Ring Banana have achieved another feat.
Completing a full 24 hours endurance race at Circuito Ascari in Spain!

Stats over the 24 hours with The Ring Banana.
- 354 laps
- 15 pit stops
- 1,915 km on track (~1,190 miles)
- 318L of fuel (~84 US Gallon, 14 MPG )
- 0,8L of engine oil
- 0,5L of gearbox oil
- 8 out of the 10 tires allowed
- 1 set of brake discs and pads
- 0 spare parts

What a result, we are happy to report that after 12 months of hard usage and 24 hours of continuous racing

The MeisterR ZetaCRD+ coilovers that were bolted on to the car is still going strong with no failure reported.


So this is my prove of the ZetaCRD quality.
If a suspension can get hard use at the Nurburg for a year, then do another 24 hours endurance race, and still keep going.
I am pretty happy to use that as prove of quality and durability.


So if the ZetaCRD are that good, what makes the GT1 better?

The GT1 allows better performance in all aspect because of the internal.
So if you drive on the road, it will feel more responsive, but at the same time it also absorb bumps better.
Hitting uneven road surface patch at apex of a corner on the road will not upset the car at all, that is the real difference of what high performance suspension can provide.

In terms of result, I think our local race driver Lucio at the Houston SCCA AutoSolo shows that the best in the past 2 years.

In 2015, I meet Lucio because he was having a hard time with consistent result on the Bilstein B16.
I said to change over the the ZetaCRD and if he doesn't like it he can return it.
After the install, you can see he finish podium every race and won the STR championship.

In 2016, a new car appeared that was fully prepped (It is using a set of JRZ RS Pro coilovers if anyone want to know).
Having such a bespoke build car in the competition mean the ZeatCRD that was design as a fast road / track suspension isn't up to the job.
So in mid season, we change the ZetaCRD to a race valved GT1 coilovers with higher springs rate.

As you can see in the result, that is 6 race win in a row with the MeisterR GT1 coilovers to take the STR championship for 2016 also.

People ask if GT1 is worth it? And I often ask what they are using it for, and what is their main purposes.
In the above case? Absolutely worth every penny... because coming back to win the series with 6 race win in a row is an awesome feeling.


Jerrick

 

[MilanoChris]

The Bilstein B16 (PSS9/PSS10) are good suspension, but they are still a mass produced mono-tube dampers.
That is why if I have to rate the Bilstein B16 suspension, I actually will line it up against the ZeatCRD coilovers in performance.

Cutting out a lot of sales stuff here. If this is the case, then why do I know people who have moved from CRD (or the old Zeta) to B16, and say that on road performance is improved and they feel better on track? Then there's lifespan to consider. You've said yourself many times in the past that you are not an engineer, just someone who understands suspension, so why do you rate CRD and B16 the same? Based on what data exactly?

Have Meister R been proven in any real competition such as BTCC, Britcar, WTCC etc?

Are all Meister R products produced in Taiwan, with locally sourced materials?

 

[MeisterR]

Cutting out a lot of sales stuff here. If this is the case, then why do I know people who have moved from CRD (or the old Zeta) to B16, and say that on road performance is improved and they feel better on track? Then there's lifespan to consider. You've said yourself many times in the past that you are not an engineer, just someone who understands suspension, so why do you rate CRD and B16 the same? Based on what data exactly?

Have Meister R been proven in any real competition such as BTCC, Britcar, WTCC etc?

Are all Meister R products produced in Taiwan, with locally sourced materials?

With suspension, it is a personal preference.
Just because the ZetaCRD obtain better result than the Bilstein, it doesn't mean it is better.
Just because the GT1 obtain better result than a set of JRZ, it doesn't mean it is better.
Personal preference are just that, some may like certain aspect more than another.

The one thing to keep in mind is that MeisterR unlike Bilstein had always been changing.
So when you said say people moved from MeisterR to Bilstein, you have to ask what version and what specs.
I know people who had the short production run of the Zeta-R Super Race with 16kg/mm rear springs, and it would be no wonder if that was not comfortable on the road.

I can at least think of 4 - 5 version for the DC5 until the latest ZeatCRD, and to be honest I think the current specification is bang on and very difficult to better in it's price bracket.
Even the GT1 had a few different version, and the latest and also the final version is what we have been offering both in UK and USA.

While I am not an engineer, I have access to a vehicle dynamic engineer and suspension engineer literally across the room.
Anything I need to answer in engineering terms can be obtain immediately, so if you need an engineering answer it is something I can easily provide.
And as far as rating suspension, it is a personal opinion.
I rate Bilstein B16 and the ZetaCRD the same simply base on construction, both are a mass produced mono-tube damper design for fast road / track use.
The above 2 suspension do not employ CNC internal parts, and so their performance are limited in the complexity of its internal.

It is the same questions if you reverse it, what makes Bilstein B16 "perform" better than a set of ZetaCRD?
You can throw it on the dyno, you can have it on the road, you can put it on the track, and all the result at best are guidelines.
Even if you look at the result of the S2000, at best you can use that as a guideline. But at least it prove that the ZetaCRD can provide result.

As for the proven in motorsport, we aren't in BTCC and so on because we aren't allowed to.
I actually did look into it, but under the new BTCC NGTC specs, the only suspension you are allow to run is Penske.
You can't use Ohlins, can't use Bilstein, etc.

The thing with high level motorsport is what they used have NO RELATION to what the average consumers purchase and use.
The person buying a set of Ohlins DFV will share no relation with a set of the Ohlins 4-way race suspension that was used on the BTCC S2000 spec race car.

MeisterR are used in 2 MSA regulated racing series (5Club Racing and Max5 Racing), both are MX5 racing series.
The difference is that the MeisterR coilovers used in those series as controlled suspension are the exact same one any normal owners would buy from us.
Most of the driver even stay with the same springs rate because it works and give consistent and predictable handling.

We use GT1 in MLR Sprint Series, Time Attack, etc. All with podium result.

Is that "Real" competition? Well, that depends on your definition.
MeisterR are used in competition for sure, and what we sell to those competition cars are one that normal customer will buy and used from us.

Not all MeisterR products are produced in Taiwan with locally sourced material.
Technically speaking if you are following the UK product label guideline, I can slap "Made in UK" on any GT1 coilovers build in our UK workshop.
The internal material, as well as expertise put into the suspension, allow for it's labelling.
But we just use "Engineered in the UK" across the board because it is easier, and it is always going to be true because we do engineer everything in house.

The thing is MeisterR is under much heavier scrutiny simply because we have to prove ourself.
I am always happy to answer questions because customer who wish to know more have the right to ask, and I feel I should always answer because we have nothing to hide.
I been through this with many forums, and sometime it is difficult when we have to prove ourself in every details when people like Bilstein, Ohlins, KW, etc just get a PASS because they have been around for a long time, are expensive, use in motorsport, and must be good.
Lets face it, half of the questions and criticism for MeisterR aren't even asked if it was from a bigger and older brand.

Jerrick

 

[Fez]

These people that are removing meister r/bc etc... how old is their suspension, because removing old/tired coilovers, when fitting new regardless what make they fit, its going to feel better, and then if they have gone for a different spring rates, they will feel better/different. And then when they are fitted, are they running the same height? Same alignment? These are all factors that would change the way the car feels. And how many people just say it is better just to warrant spending £1200+ on coilovers that may or may not have actually made the car any better.

 

[MilanoChris]

These people that are removing meister r/bc etc... how old is their suspension, because removing old/tired coilovers, when fitting new regardless what make they fit, its going to feel better, and then if they have gone for a different spring rates, they will feel better/different. And then when they are fitted, are they running the same height? Same alignment? These are all factors that would change the way the car feels. And how many people just say it is better just to warrant spending £1200+ on coilovers that may or may not have actually made the car any better.

True but the same can be said when going from OEM suspension that's 10+ years old to brand new coilers? And why would people who have spent £700 or so on suspension say they are poor.

Granted I don't know what Meister suspension people go from, but this is one example message I've been sent:

"Darn, i need the suspension, just bought one on meister r coilovers and its horrendous. Never driven a car on them which you could drive either normally in town or quickly on a nice b road"

Again I don't know what particular suspension this chap is running (I can ask), but I do know that I couldn't ever say the same about my B16.

 

[spooke]

True but the same can be said when going from OEM suspension that's 10+ years old to brand new coilers? And why would people who have spent £700 or so on suspension say they are poor.

Granted I don't know what Meister suspension people go from, but this is one example message I've been sent:

"Darn, i need the suspension, just bought one on meister r coilovers and its horrendous. Never driven a car on them which you could drive either normally in town or quickly on a nice b road"

Again I don't know what particular suspension this chap is running (I can ask), but I do know that I couldn't ever say the same about my B16.

So the person you've quoted has bought a car with them on, of unknown age, unknown usage, unknown setup/geometry? I thought you only listened to professionals?

I couldn't ever say the same about my Meister R's either

 

[MilanoChris]

So the person you've quoted has bought a car with them on, of unknown age, unknown usage, unknown setup/geometry? I thought you only listened to professionals?

I couldn't ever say the same about my Meister R's either

I'm sorry, but when did I say I based my decision on buying B16's from this lad? I've already explained why I bought them, would you like me to point you at the post in this very thread where I do? Just as I've never called it 'Taiwanese excrement'.

 

[spooke]

I'm sorry, but when did I say I based my decision on buying B16's from this lad? I've already explained why I bought them, would you like me to point you at the post in this very thread where I do? Just as I've never called it 'Taiwanese excrement'.

That wasn't my point, you said these people have moved from Meister R's to Bilsteins and say they are better, I'm not surprised if they've been installed/setup by a specialist. I never said that you did, but it definitely comes across that way.

At the end of the day, it's a difference of opinions.

 

[Reggie91]

Lads, at the end of the day it comes down to budget and intended use. Might be an idea to leave it at that. lol

 

[MilanoChris]

I just don't like words being put in my mouth is all, if you think something comes across in a certain way then ask me or quote me when I say it. Don't just write it on here in a way that makes it look like I've said it.

At the end of the day, it's a difference of opinions.

True, and while forums are great this is often why sometimes they are not so great. For example:

You think Meister R are great for daily use. Other agree.
I disagree (based on limited experience, I admit), others disagree too (based on differing experiences).
Some people think going to B16 for example from the cheap Mesiter R is an upgrade.
Jerrick thinks CRD are the same or better than B16.
Garages I use to set up my car disagree.

What experiences and engineering background the above opinions are based on varies hugely. There's no right or wrong answer. You pays your money and you takes your choice. Cars and modifications are a funny thing.

 

[MeisterR]

The thing is that could of been so many factors in play with that person's opinion I don't know where to start.
But If they were on the first generation (Circ. 2009) or the second generation (Circ. 2010-2011), then it is possible that the ride isn't that great in modern terms.

However, we constantly are improving, and 6 years is a lifetime in automotive engineering terms.
How the ZetaCRD ride today are miles different from how the older Zeta-R ride back in 2010, and the only thing that would be the same is the top mount as everything else had change since then.

Now, if you have a customer who just purchased a set of ZetaCRD and is having issue, then I will want to know.
As far as I know, no one had any issue with the ZetaCRD across the platform, and anyone that had problem I was always able to resolve.
Normally it is a loose bolt, loose collar, or just need adjustment to ride height or alignment.
But that is what we are here for, and of anyone have questions do get in contact.


As far as some peer comparison, I can only think of a 2 that was recently posted up:

Benbo from MLR: http://www.lancerregister.com/showpost.php?p=5711823&postcount=1

I've recently fitted a set of GT1's to my wife's 9 GT also to replace a set of Teins (Sport Spec Winding Master Mono Flex - IIRC £1600 ish new.) I haven't had chance to take it out for a really good run yet, but my first impressions are that they have totally transformed the car. Instead of jiggling about, and crashing over even the smallest imperfections on the road the car is now a pleasure to drive around town. I no longer have to treat slight dips and slightly sunken manhole covers as if they are huge potholes....I can just drive over them like I would in a normal car. Pushing the car a little harder the Teins used to feel like the wrong combination of bumps could send you bouncing off the road, now it feels like the suspension can easily soak up anything thrown at it without becoming unsettled. Since it's my wife's car it seems only fair to share her opinion too, below is an exact copy/paste of the text message she sent me the first time she drove the car. (She is a lot lighter than me and always said the car felt like it was trying to bounce her off the road when I wasn't in it with her and felt dangerous to her even just at town speeds).....

OMG �� my car feels unblemished. Just did the cherry hill/ strikes block and it's unblemished. I can **** off at lights and it goes straight forward �� my car was telling me to go up guisborough road dual carriageway but my head said stop it lol. The adrenaline has almost made me get cramp in my legs lol xxx

I realise neither of us are suspension guru's, but I don't think how the Meister R's perform on track is in question any more....people seem to want to know how easy they are to live with day to day and how they perform on the road.

We are both VERY impressed, at the price point I wouldn't even consider anything else....as long as Meister R are in business then my future suspension choices have been made very easy.

If I ever convince the other half to let me take her car to a track day I'll report back.

I've also had the cheaper MeisterR coilovers on my DC2, and wife's old Glanza and was very impressed with them aswell.

pecks from GTR Register: http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/5035834-post32.html

I can only compare to my hks hipermax 4 gt.
Although on paper the spring rates were stiffer, it did kot feel so on the road.
Cornering has really improved, it is more flat,and i am able to take similar corners at a higher speed.
It does not squat as much on heavy braking too.
I have yet to bring it to the track though.
Everyone who has driven the car with the gt1 remarked on how it felt better and more confidence inspiring compared to the hipermax 4

Again, this does not prove anything.
All I am providing is info for you to make up your own mind about what is good, what is not, and what best suit your need.

What someone like, you may hate.
What is soft to someone, may be stiff to you.

Generally speaking, I don't have customer who complain MeisterR is stiff, especially comparing to other suspension in the same price bracket.
The CRD damper valving is something we took great car in engineering, to ensure the ride is compliant on uneven road surfaces because that is where you will be spending most of your time driving.

Jerrick

 

[MeisterR]

For those who want to see review of the Zeta series coilovers to other coilovers on the market:

LilPartyBox from Fiesta ST Forums: http://www.fiestastforum.com/forum/threads/8662-NEW-MeisterR-Coilovers-for-Fiesta-ST-995-Delivered?p=160042&viewfull=1#post160042

Completed the install on Sunday. From full stiff I set them to -10/,-11 and changed nothing else. Just slapped them on. I set mine to the outside of the slot as well to remove as much negative camber as possible. There's still a bit but totally drivable.

I've been driving on them for all of 2 days. But I gotta say, in all my years I've been on H&R, KW, Bilstein, FK, and Koni... MeisterR is by FAR the best setup I've experienced. Tight and controlled but somehow so compliant and buttery. It's hard to explain. There's an elasticity to the way they dampen. The tires just feel like they are always clawing at the ground, even when just driving straight. Turn-in is instant and the grip is confidence inspiring. Let's just say that if i exceed it then i'm going way too fast for the street. I also have Cobb sways and Pierce front/rear bracing but it's safe to say most of my new found cornering prowess belongs to Meister.

Zero noises from anywhere! AND NO BOUNCE! My usual morning commute is riddled with broken pavement and i've dreaded it every morning since i bought the car. This morning the drive was truly enjoyable. This setup has changed the character of the car completely. It's got a germanic quality now. Bank vault feel with a smooth controlled ride. The car feels 10k more expensive. I couldn't be happier.

The wife took it out and actually noticed it. She compared it to my former favorite, the Biltein PSS9s I had on an R32. That's saying a lot. If you're on the fence, don't be. I was VERY apprehensive but no regrets here. Buy these things. You'll never look at any other vendor again. Just perfect. Now to wait & see how they last...

This is when i knew this was no ordinary setup. ALL of the collars were set and precisely matched each other. This gave me the confidence to just slap them on. I've never had a set that was this dialed. Someone cared before packing these into the box.


familyhorse from GTR Register: http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/3271337-post15.html

Let me share my experience. I changed from S-tune to MeisterR and was amazed at how well this suspension performs at this price. You can easily get the level of comfort from MeisterR that S-tune gives you, and you can also get a lot of adjustment on ride height and damper rate.

When I firstly put the MeisterR on straight out of the box, the car was lower than with S-tune. It was absolutely silent, firm but not bouncy, though admittedly less comfortable than the S-tune before fine-tune.

As you found in the earlier thread, I've consulted Jerrick about pre-load adjustment as I suspected that my installer messed up the factory pre-load. Over the past few weeks, I've tried to adjust the pre-load and ride height by myself. The pre-load used to be 197mm for the front (i.e. 3mm pre-load for a 200mm spring) and 217mm for the rear (also 3mm pre-load for a 220mm spring). I then reduce it to 198mm (front) and 219mm (rear) and raise the ride height close to the S-tune. The whole car had become much more comfortable and yet firm enough for wild street-racing. I'm so satisfied that I do not even bother to put up my Ikeya Formula front upper arms and Moonface roll-center spacers with the existing ride height (i.e. around 10.5mm arch-to-18"rim F&R).

All in all, I will highly recommend the Meister R to you. Shipping a set of suspension from UK to HK is not cheap, but I'm glad I made this choice after extensive research.

Ringo

 

[Liam]

Sorry for the incoming essay - I'm looking to potentially purchase the B16s or ZetaCRD+, so I'm finding this discussion really useful.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.

This is very true.

I did just that 2 years ago and got burned with some coilovers I thought would be better than the likes of BC/ Meister Zeta R (I won't say who make them just yet as I am giving them a chance to rectify the situation with some replacement parts). They cost me £875 brand new - inverted and slotted front shocks, adjustable rebound front and rear - they looked the part and I genuinely thought I was paying a bit more for a quality product.

Fast forward 2 years/ 16k road miles. The bottom bushes in both rear shocks have disintegrated to the point I can jam a screwdriver between the shock/ rear arm and wiggle the shock around. Also, the rubber front damper boots mysteriously split along each rib till they fully detach from one and other. I've seen some poor quality rubber in my limited years of messing with cars, but the rubber used on these coilovers literally disintegrates before your eyes.

I have first hand experience of Bilstein dampers on other car - I bought some SECOND HAND Bilstein "Group N" damper inserts for my Saxo (now track car) back in 2009 and they've coped with 40k+ road miles and at least 4 track days a year in that time. They might not be as fresh as they were when new, but even when I lean on them now they feel as good as they ever did.

Now that I'm £875 down, I'm finding it hard to swallow the £1200-1300 of the Bilstein B16s, but on the other hand I don't want to buy ZetaCRD+ and be in this situation again 2 years down the line. Especially when my current coilovers felt fine 1 year in, then literally fell to bits when they were safely out of warranty. I see a lot of people who stick "cheaper brand" coilovers on a car, sell the car on shortly afterwards and tell everyone the coilovers were awesome, but it's people like myself who keep cars long term who see whether these parts stand the test of time.

I've already had a helpful e-mail exchange with Jerrick and Edwin who assure me that servicing and spares are readily available here in the UK should anything go wrong. Being based in Germany, I imagine the process might be slightly more difficult with the Bilsteins should they start playing up when out of warranty?

Don't get me wrong, the ZetaCRD+ sound great, but once bitten twice shy.

 

[MilanoChris]

Really sorry to hear that Liam.

Bilstein have a centre in Leicester where you can get suspension rebuilt (quick Google testifies to their service), one of the reasons I went with them.

Last I knew a full refurb was £80+ VAT per corner, although you'd have to contact them for accurate prices.

 

[MeisterR]

Sorry for the incoming essay - I'm looking to potentially purchase the B16s or ZetaCRD+, so I'm finding this discussion really useful.

I've already had a helpful e-mail exchange with Jerrick and Edwin who assure me that servicing and spares are readily available here in the UK should anything go wrong. Being based in Germany, I imagine the process might be slightly more difficult with the Bilsteins should they start playing up when out of warranty?

Don't get me wrong, the ZetaCRD+ sound great, but once bitten twice shy.

The thing for us is we try to do what we can for MeisterR customers, because we are our own suspension brand.
If things goes wrong, we are the entire structure; we don't have to phone into a head office to get approval because we are the head office, distributor, and dealer all in one.

But as I always say, there are lots of different variable that a customer use to decide what is best for them.
All I can do is provide information so a customer will make an informed decision.

I don't like to hear any unhappy MeisterR customers, and I do my best to make sure any problems are sorted.
I also don't like to hear any unhappy customer who made a decision uninformed or based on incorrect information.
Because nothing kills a car enthusiast passion faster than saying "I wish I done this if I knew more, but I have spend all my money on that and now I am stuck!"

I am sure the Bilstein would be fine, and I don't intend to have MeisterR let down any customer either.
But in the end, the ultimate decision rest on the customer, and the long as it is an informed decision, I am happy rather it is MeisterR or not.

Jerrick

 

[Johngreen537]

I just went for Mugen Showa on OEM springs

Firm but comfy on the road, good enough (at my pace) on track.

Sure, I could do with some rear end adjustment to dial things in a bit, but as a package, they're great

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[martinj46]

For what it's worth, here's my thoughts as a MeisterR owner...

I've had them on my DC5 for 3 years and 30k miles. They have done 11 trackdays and are still spot on. Sure they are firm on the road, and a more expensive setup would probably be better here, but if setup properly they are perfectly liveable with. My grandparents didn't even find them unbearable! On track they have coped perfectly too, there have been times I've wished for stiffer springs but then I'd lose the road usability. It's a decent compromise at this price point. They still clean up like new and haven't seized, only the springs are a little rusty.

Before buying I did plenty research and looked into buying Nitrons, but I simply couldn't justify them at triple the cost for my use and personal circumstance at the time.

In short I'd happily buy from MeisterR again.


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[Reggie91]

That's my main concern with meister r. Some of the parts don't seem to last very long. I've seen some second hand sets (2-3yrs old) and the amount of rust on them is crazy!

As I track my car it does raise concern as to what if one of the springs snap on track due to rust?

Not sure how good the anti rust coating is that you can buy...

 

[spooke]

That's my main concern with meister r. Some of the parts don't seem to last very long. I've seen some second hand sets (2-3yrs old) and the amount of rust on them is crazy!

As I track my car it does raise concern as to what if one of the springs snap on track due to rust?

Not sure how good the anti rust coating is that you can buy...

That's because the owner hasn't cared for them, most coilovers will start to rust, especially if they've seen winter and have not been cleaned. I used the Anti-rust coating and coilover socks, they look brand new underneath and I've had them for close to 10,000 miles now.